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peter s

At last someone mentions Mises and Rothbard. What the government and the big interests are not telling us is "how much more are they willing to pump into keeping the big banks afloat?"

The situation we are faced with is like lending to a junkie. He keeps asking for more and getting it by telling you that he will be killed if he does not pay his supplier. For how long will government continue to be mugs at the expense of the tax paying public ?

People and government must realise that we cannot hope to rescucitate yesterday's failed paradigms and continue as if nothing happened.

Ed

Dear Tim,

You are a bit hard on economics degrees. Mine, 30 years ago taught me lots of useful stuff. i.e. policy economics was made up by economists "paid for" either directly by govt or else in academia and had little or nothing to do with any viable economic theory of any school. Witness recent use of Keynes name attached to policies he wouldn't recognise for a minute. Economic history was probably the most useful subject I studied throughout my entire schooldays as it revealed so completely how little humans change through the millennia which leads to these strange repeating outcomes.

Obviously Mises is getting a lot more coverage these days, I just wish that some of the proponents recognised that even the Austrians understood that at the end of the credit expansion you could either undergo a very rapid adjustment with consequent enormous social upheaval and possible failure of the political system, Hitler anybody? Or you could have a long drawn out process where you resisted the inevitable contraction each step of the way. 20 years of Japan?
There is a slightly unpleasant streak in the liquidationists. "I saw this coming and am all in cash, the rest of you can burn in social collapse just so I can be proved correct and buy some cheap assets. I have to admit I used to be in this camp myself but I am starting to have doubts.

timprice

The criticism of economics degrees is in large part down to the mismatch between expectations ("will enable me to be a better trader") and reality ("has no practical benefit whatever"). This in the context of a Cambridge Economics degree. If an economics degree doesn't help in a dealing room, when and where on earth does it ? I take your point about the liquidationist stance. But I also have sympathy for utterly blameless savers. That sympathy will be multiplied if we end up burning in a hyperinflationary hell, and that no longer looks like an idle fear.

disability insurance

Very nice article! You proved there is NOT "a broad consensus – among economists and market observers – that there is no alternative" - and it's not only Austrian school (but they are the leaders for sure. As I know P.Schiff is Austrian school fan too) who offer alternatives.
The problem is simple - voters expect their governments to do "something". But if you were a politician - can you imagine you would answer:"Ï am sorry, only think we can do is to work hard and let the recession to fade away!"???
Regards,
Lorne

timprice

It will certainly be interesting to see how the current crisis ends up affecting people's views about the role and value of government full stop. "Full stop" may be the pertinent phrase here. Continually relying on platitudes and what seems to be the path of least resistance may be the easy policy response, but I foresee a real possibility of social unrest as unemployment rolls swell and the tax burden grows like a weed. How long before bankers start getting mobbed in the street, whether they deserve it or not ?

Kristine

Thanks for bringing some sound perspectives into the debate. Unfortunately, most people seem to have made up their minds, especially in Iceland, that it's the free marketeers that are to blame for the crisis

As for the usefulness of Economics degrees, I'm not so sure any academic degree is all that useful in the real world, though I found intellectual history stimulating and wish I'd done more philosophy. Other than that, I've also done political science and journalism, it seemed one long excercise in roadlearning. I guess City Uni was useful for networking purposes, but in termes of the craft I'd been better off spending that year in a newsroom.

SeamusAndrewMurphy

I'm always puzzled when the Austrian School is brought up as an answer to the situation we face today.
It isn't that I disagree with the analysis, but that the attempts to prop up the failed paradigm, the Keynesian stimulus, and the pleading turn towards government are looked upon, haughtily, as mere foolishness.

The reality is that an enormous portion of the population, the FIRE sector, and the government are looking at the impossibility of having to pay for yesterday's excess in an environment of deflation. It is literally going to be impossible for these people, corporations, and institutions to meet their obligations. That is the tension that is driving this desire for intervention. To dismiss this tension and to glibly suggest that something akin to Schumpeter's creative destruction as the only obvious answer is to blind one's self to what that destruction may indeed look like.

In full disclosure, I am among those that will be the punished. I am a saver. I live a sparse lifestyle, have instilled it to my children, and God knows, have forced them to go without in order to not incur debt. I have driven my immediate family nuts in anticipation of an economic collapse. We're debt free, and don't have a number of the conveniences that most Americans consider necessities. I even walk to work daily, an hour each way, rather than incur the expense of a second automobile. Still, I fully appreciate what a seemingly unending downward spiral will look like.

I am also disgusted with the distorted sense of purpose that the banking industry and their legislative and appointed servants claim on the public purse. It is a travesty, but that line about the “...the labour unions to prevent or to delay this adjustment merely prolongs the stagnation “ is too much. As if labor in the majority of industries had collective power. Cripe, the vast majority of people have seen their purchasing power disappear in the last ten years. Now they're facing 5-10 % across the board pay reductions, elimination of retirement contributions, and shorter working hours, and their very real, very desperate status is dismissed in that throwaway line?

Fine, liquidate then, and reap what comes afterward.

It's too simple a model for the situation we all face.

timprice

The contrast between the Austrian "solution" and the current mess is, indeed, stark. One difference between our current situation and that of the 1930s, for example, is the existence of a welfare state in the, erm, "developed" world, which at least helps to address the desperation to which you allude. Beyond that, our best hope would be that a new breed of politicians - people that understand the very real issues and that can be trusted - replaces the current mob. That seems like wishful thinking. But otherwise the only real choice would seem to be whether we get a firestorm that lasts for years, or one that burns intensely for a short period and is then extinguished. What concerns me most is that politicians are not the answer, but people seem to have abandoned hope in virtually everything else.

fussball

Gute Arbeit hier! Gute Inhalte.

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This a good post.
Nice insight!

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